lundi 7 avril 2014

On Matrimonial Prospects at My Age

JAU, status with meme
Don't regret growing older.

It's a privilege denied to many.
HGL/me
I do not regret growing older, I am just sorry that is still before getting married (to a girl younger than myself, as otherwise she would be close to infertile if not previously having born children).
JAU (himself this time)
half the man's age, plus seven years minimum.
HGL/me
Where do you get that from?

That is NOT in Holy Writ and NOT in Canon Law either.

Jogaila's Russian mother Uliana of Tver urged him to marry Sofia, daughter of Prince Dmitri of Moscow, who required him first to convert to Orthodoxy.[nb 4] That option, however, was unlikely to halt the crusades against Lithuania by the Teutonic Knights, who regarded Orthodox Christians as schismatics and little better than heathens.[2][7] Jogaila chose therefore to accept a Polish proposal to become a Catholic and marry the eleven-year-old Queen Jadwiga of Poland.[nb 5] The nobles of Malopolska made this offer to Jogaila for many reasons. They wanted to neutralize the dangers posed by Lithuania itself and to secure the fertile territories of Galicia–Volhynia.[10] The Polish nobles saw the offer as an opportunity for increasing their privileges[11] and avoiding Austrian influence, brought by Jadwiga's previous fiancé William, Duke of Austria.[12]

On 14 August 1385 in Kreva Castle, Jogaila confirmed his prenuptial promises in the Union of Krewo (Union of Kreva). The promises included the adoption of Christianity, repatriation of lands "stolen" from Poland by its neighbours, and terras suas Lithuaniae et Russiae Coronae Regni Poloniae perpetuo applicare, a clause interpreted by historians to mean anything from a personal union between Lithuania and Poland to a complete incorporation of Lithuania into Poland.[13] The agreement at Kreva has been described both as far-sighted and as a desperate gamble.[nb 6]

Jogaila was duly baptised at the Wawel Cathedral in Kraków on 15 February 1386 and from then on formally used the name Władysław or Latin versions of it.[14][nb 7] The marriage took place three days later, and on 4 March 1386 Jogaila was crowned King Władysław by archbishop Bodzanta. He was also to be legally adopted by Jadwiga's mother, Elizabeth of Bosnia, so retaining the throne in the event of Jadwiga's death.[7] The royal baptism triggered the conversion of most of Jogaila's court and noblemen, as well as mass baptisms in Lithuanian rivers,[15] a beginning of the final Christianization of Lithuania. Though the ethnic Lithuanian nobility were the main converts to Catholicism—both paganism and the Orthodox rite remained strong among the peasants—the king's conversion and its political implications created lasting repercussions for the history of both Lithuania and Poland


1386 - she was twelve. He was 35 if born in 1351 and 24 if born in 1362.

The parents of St Francis of Sales married when she was fourteen and he was, I think, 63.

He was born 1522, she in 1552. They married 1566.

So, sorry, he was 44 while she was 14.

LA MAMAN
DE
SAINT FRANÇOIS DE SALES
par
Monseigneur FrancisTROCHU
[extrait]
http://www.saint-remi.fr/medias/extraits/la_maman_de_saint_francois_de_sales_extrait.pdf


If you had been right, canon law would have forbidden that marriage and it did not. Nor does it now.

And similar things could be said for the Empress Hildegard:

Wikipedia : Hildegard of Vinzgouw
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hildegard_of_Vinzgouw


At age 13, she marries a man age 29 at least.
JAU
these days, such matches would be called child abuse.
HGL
these days are vile and full of falsehood.

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